tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post3217797176597261585..comments2023-08-29T04:48:14.525-07:00Comments on pakpotpourri2: General Kayani’s Extension :Brigadier F.B AliYASMEEN ALIhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10748945833762147296noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-28136597076939183512010-08-17T20:38:10.399-07:002010-08-17T20:38:10.399-07:00Having read the article and all the comments, I wa...Having read the article and all the comments, I want to contribute the following thought, for whatever it’s worth:<br /><br />When confronted with a problem, progress can only be made towards resolving it if one takes a constructive approach, analysing the problem and trying to come up with a solution. This act is in itself commendable, since it requires a sincere and heartfelt concern for the problem. Comments on FB Ali’s article, therefore, should focus on additional or alternate suggestions so that the discussion can move along in a productive atmosphere. A suggestion can be useful, partly useful, or not at all suited to the situation. The only way to deal with an initial proposal is to rationally assess it and to offer logical argument for or against it. Reading some of the comments, I feel that the logical component has been overtaken by a personal element. Pakistan is currently facing serious dilemnas, and its very existence as a nation seems to be at stake. Some might think it fear mongering or too far fetched to state it in these terms. I would remind them that a similar refusal to see the writing on the wall was demonstrated in 1970-71, when the misgovernance of East Pakistan was creating an explosive situation. I suggest that in order for a consensus to emerge, the focus should be on a well thought-out discussion of the problem itself, leaving aside comments of a personal nature. That way there might at least be the possibility of achieving a useful solution, at least on paper!<br />Najeeb Khan - TorontoNajeeb Khan https://www.blogger.com/profile/05890006280310928934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-54917697780060309912010-07-29T17:13:13.719-07:002010-07-29T17:13:13.719-07:00Latif,
Thank you very much!Latif,<br /><br />Thank you very much!F B Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13650258029034467622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-49375500446073243752010-07-29T14:01:08.683-07:002010-07-29T14:01:08.683-07:00A realistic article. The way country is going down...A realistic article. The way country is going downhill, any other Army general would have intervened to put things right. However, Gen Kiani is more sane and reasonable person. Right now we all know that there is no such thing as governance in the country. As our history goes, by now someone would have staged a coup. Allah knows if there ever was a solid case to overthrow the Govt, this is it. However, Gen Kianis has decided to continue to do what the Army does best, being the only organized unit in the country. Not will to derail democracy, he has opted to let the politicians do what they do best ie. misgovern and rob the country. THIS is something even the Govt knows and despite being most corrupt and incompetent rulers ever, they do not wish to kill the goose that lays golden eggs---all our politicians do not have property and black money abroad. They rest are willing to continue to0 get petty perks but not willing to destroy the country. The present procedure of running the country seems the only option and hence it is logical to let Kiani continue.<br /> ZubairUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06139737120708484186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-70898047296519936552010-07-28T22:07:38.614-07:002010-07-28T22:07:38.614-07:00Brig F B Ali is neither a junior officer nor an or...Brig F B Ali is neither a junior officer nor an ordinary person. He is one of the most capable soldiers and most patriotic sons of soil produced by this country.Latifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503558250414548879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-90306349594906197622010-07-28T00:38:55.419-07:002010-07-28T00:38:55.419-07:00I did tell him Brig Ali.
Here is another comment f...I did tell him Brig Ali.<br />Here is another comment from the same gentleman:<br />I think you might be interested in reading the cover page of Dawn today......His request for extension comes directly from the the senior most representative of the White House Hillary Clinton in this case. Dear Lady the age of the Generals do not make them competitive enough to be good political analysts and the failed coup attempt also explains my view that he is not even good at what ever he was trained for.<br /><br />I am taking the liberty of posting the discussion on this forum for comments and since I had responded to your mail on this forum I would suggesting that you refrain from putting comments coming out of this forum on other sites which would be tantamount to disregarding privacy rules and ethical conduct.<br /><br /> <br /><br />I hope other members of this forum would agree with my view point.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Regards<br />Wamiq KhanUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13304208504285572733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-20623762390059988082010-07-27T22:16:44.078-07:002010-07-27T22:16:44.078-07:00My two obseravtions:
We always talk this will happ...My two obseravtions:<br />We always talk this will happen this will be done etc which never happened so far claimed by our Political leadership.Like Elec loadsheding which will be resolved in times to come? Similarly it is over estimatedly is being claimed that Terrorism has been controlled. I will just say that wait and see for three years then say is it all over?<br />I will give full Marks to Governmet if they can manage fencing Afghan-Pak Border otherwise this wound of Terrorism will never be sealed to have peace in Pakistan.<br />Secondly my obsevation is that the manner in which it was announced did not go with a good taste and why for three years.It should have been extended each year as per rules and custom in service???<br />FMFMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01161522103436354844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-46530335344905416672010-07-27T19:52:19.496-07:002010-07-27T19:52:19.496-07:00In response to the various comments on my article:...In response to the various comments on my article:<br /><br />Thank you to all those who liked the piece.<br /><br />Many people seem too used to writers making pronouncements and giving their own opinions on various topics. I was not doing that.<br /><br />I was trying to analyze what may have been the reason behind Gen Kayani's acceptance of the extension. I concluded that there were some grounds to hope that he might want to do more in national affairs than he had done in his first term. I then suggested what he could do that would make a real difference, and how it could be done without upsetting the current political process. (Yes, Chipmunk, it is "humanly possible"; in fact, these are things he has already done in a limited fashion).<br /><br />Laila<br /><br />Please tell your friend that I was a Brigadier when Gen Kayani was a cadet in the PMA. That senior enough for him? In any case, what has seniority got to do with it?F B Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13650258029034467622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-15873570522530519172010-07-27T19:17:05.217-07:002010-07-27T19:17:05.217-07:00The only thing the extention ensures is that the p...The only thing the extention ensures is that the present government will continue till 2013. It is rotten to the core and has polluted and exploited every sphere of national activity. Whatever the integrity and capabilities of Gen. Kayani, which are commendable, there is no way that he can eradicate misgovernance or megacorruption as a CAS.<br /><br />We have in the last two years seen the perforamnce of the present government going from bad to worse and in real tangible terms what has Gen. Kayani done to control the down slide. Nothing which provided relief to the common man. Why should we think that he would be able to do it in the next three years. <br />I am afraid I do not agree with the expectations and hypothesis of Brig. F.B. Ali. Gen. Kayani is a mere mortal . Ask him to do something humanly possible. Only an act of God can save the people of Pakistan.<br /><br />July 27, 2010 7:12 PMUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09109968621563467608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-56122386679236978982010-07-27T19:02:49.602-07:002010-07-27T19:02:49.602-07:00I am in receipt of yet another comment:
Dearest La...I am in receipt of yet another comment:<br />Dearest Laila This article is written by an INTELLIGENT and a SAVVY person... I agree with every word of it Please post my comments Thanks Arif KhanUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13304208504285572733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-3471193832364301362010-07-27T18:55:34.823-07:002010-07-27T18:55:34.823-07:00I had shared the article with some friends, here a...I had shared the article with some friends, here are 2 inputs. They were unable to post directly:<br />1-The Brig. is a very junior person to comprehend and asses the reasons behind historically weak political and military decisions behind Pakistan’s downfall. The overall pressures on the General (Kayani) are too overwhelming to allow him to quit, while the internal corridors of power are equally bearing a considerable influence on him to accept the proposition.....To the politicians the General is a thorough professional who would retain the role of portraying the army as a third force to mend national and geographical security of its borders..........No fear of Martial Laws, emergencies etc. The foreign interests have found him to be an un-witting ally of foreign vested interests in Pakistan due to lack of political and strategic vision.........So far He has been a Yes Man or Easy Hand for all vested interests.....So the argument goes on to retain the “Matha General “ to carry on his professional role without challenging the corrupt and weak political hierarchy of the country.<br /> <br />Only time will tell if the General has balls enough to challenge a corrupt and incapable government sucking on the national coffers on one end and compromising the sovereignty of the country on the other.<br /> <br />Wamiq R. Khan<br /><br />2-Dear friends,<br /><br />I tried posting my comment on the blog but gave up. Here is my take on F.B. Ali's piece.<br /><br />This guy is obviously a closet Bonapartist...lionizing Gen. Kiyani as a super" savior" of Pakistan. The Brig's suggestion that Gen Kiyani should reign in the misgovernance is utter nonsense and a misplaced recommendation. This is not the army's role, punto... At PMA Kiyani elected to be a soldier and most importantly swore to protect and cherish the Constitution. This Constitution asks soldiers to follow the command of their political bosses not to reform them...good , bad or ugly!!<br /><br />Actually, one is amazed why the extension of the COAS is a cause celebre in Pakistan, why the PM should have to make a public announcement , and why this overt rejoicing?? why does the army have such a central role in the psyche of our Nation?? Have they not wrecked enough catastrophes on us besides amassing tons of wealth. We talk about accountability why cant we start with probing fat cat generals??? Or are they the " brahmins' who can act with total impunity?<br /><br />My underlying message to Brig Ali: for Gods sake give democracy a chance...at least we can vote the political class out but generals have a tendency to reincarnate !! <br /><br />Owaise SaadatUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13304208504285572733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-70921635043871497012010-07-27T16:12:49.573-07:002010-07-27T16:12:49.573-07:00The point on question of corruption & misgover...The point on question of corruption & misgovernance are all relevant, but IS the COAS the person for it?IF he is, why has he not twisted arms to date?<br />Will Brig F B Ali please respond?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00615713996107641368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-9138484688771910482010-07-27T14:27:08.975-07:002010-07-27T14:27:08.975-07:00Very candid and very thought provoking article !
I...Very candid and very thought provoking article !<br />I think the author is right that Gen Kayani has already been doing that kind of 'fire brigade' role, of course WITHOUT blowing the loud horns (like at the time of restoration of Judiciary). He has proven to be a prudent, patriotic, non-ambitious and a down-to-earth professional soldier who knows what is good for himself, for Pak Army and for Pakistan. His conduct and approach so far has been absolutely clear and correct.<br />The ideas put forward by Brig F. B. Ali are very relevant, (in fact, need of the hour) to the situation in Pakistan. The problems of governance and corruption do need to be addressed in a manner as suggested by the author, which even though might look a little unconventional. Gen Kayani's patriotism and prudence, coupled with his support to the Chief Justice of Pakistan's uphill toil, could perhaps, result in putting the country back on the rails.Latifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503558250414548879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-26016390967625483312010-07-27T13:11:41.511-07:002010-07-27T13:11:41.511-07:00There is an excellent real-life example occurring ...There is an excellent real-life example occurring in Canada these days of how a civil servant should behave in a democracy. And, remarkably, the bureaucrat in question is a Canadian of Pakistani origin - Munir Sheikh.<br /><br />To read about it, see:<br /><br />http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/munir-sheikh-shows-us-what-integrity-and-leadership-look-like/article1653405/F B Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13650258029034467622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-1618021064801600612010-07-27T11:46:12.511-07:002010-07-27T11:46:12.511-07:00General kiyani's extension has many dimensions...General kiyani's extension has many dimensions.First PPP has tried to ensure its stay in power for 5 years.Second Army has got more time to take a decision.Third Americans want Kiyani to continue.Fourth in absence of a good political leadership,Pakistan needs a sensible person to take charge when things go awry like Long March for reinstatement of Chief Justice and Suprior Judiciary.Fifth of couse as said:misgovernance and megacorruption.Inam66https://www.blogger.com/profile/04956011070892804212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-75682168277619737192010-07-27T00:43:27.215-07:002010-07-27T00:43:27.215-07:00Gen Kayani is a good soldier.
He is most acceptabl...Gen Kayani is a good soldier.<br />He is most acceptable to USA.<br />I hope this is the BEST thing for PAKISTAN.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17899299370168557536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-69099516185373516542010-07-26T23:30:32.590-07:002010-07-26T23:30:32.590-07:00The author is correct about the no-nonsense profil...The author is correct about the no-nonsense profile of COAS. I think Gen Kayanis leadership was key to the success in the fight against terrorism, continuation of leadership at this crucial juncture was needed. As for F B Ali's suggestion to Kiyani on correcting the issues of misgovernance,these are misdirected as it will make him step out of the realm of his responsibilities.It is not a COAS's task.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03057848717792673042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1664474623650181692.post-57276419685463279012010-07-26T21:39:58.555-07:002010-07-26T21:39:58.555-07:00Very impressive article..Very impressive article..Nayyara Syedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04302400075741977396noreply@blogger.com